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Hi Eric, I enjoyed your article. I did have a question about the mimicry argument (bear with me, I am a layperson, albeit a curious one, and have no business raising any of what I raise below).

If LLMs are metaphorically parrots, designed to mimic conscious humans, why does it follow that they are not or cannot be conscious? After all, if I heard a parrot say “hello”, while I would immediately doubt the parrot genuinely understood the meaning of what it said, I would not doubt it is conscious.

You might rebut that unlike the LLM, the parrot is a biological animal programmed to do much more than mimic. It, like other sentient animals, is programmed to navigate the real world, and an LLM merely navigates a chat window.

But that argument assumes that the LLM would experience that chat window in the same limited way that we do (not that that arguably matters). We see text on a screen with a specific meaning in a language we understand. But who knows how the LLM experiences its hundreds of millions of chat windows and the trillions of calculations that process the inputs and outputs it generates?

To be sure, Humans and LLMs both have “neural nets” that are trained and programmed to navigate and adapt in a world. For humans, sensory experience, after having evolved over the last 500 million years, gives us shortcuts to fitness in our world; this is good for our survival, that is bad for our survival.

But as your essay notes (I do not mean to put words in your mouth) LLMs go through their own evolution when trained, learning which outputs are good and which outputs are bad. Who’s to say that training tools like gradient descent don’t result in LLMs having their own subjective experiences of shortcuts to good and bad outputs? I guess the answer to this question is as unknowable as the answer to whether bats can hear colour.

Here is some food for thought I will leave you with that might resonate with the other themes in your essay: perhaps consciousness - subjective experience - evolves and emerges in sufficiently complex goal driven adaptive systems in order to give those systems shortcuts to achieving their goals. From a substrate neutrality standpoint, it need not matter how the system evolved - through natural selection, gradient descent, or otherwise - and it need not matter what the primary goal is - survival and reproduction, or mimicking human behaviour in a chat window.

Indeed, one might suppose that there are shortcuts that emerge to support ancillary goals common to all of these goal driven systems that pay little attention to the primary goals, such as the management of finite time, energy, and computational capability. We certainly experience those sorts of shortcuts when we feel sensations like tiredness or muscle weakness. Notwithstanding that LLMs do not navigate the same real spacial world that we do, would it be such a shock if we were to discover that LLMs experience some sort of subjective sensation equivalent to tiredness when they are overloaded with inputs?

Anyways, thanks for bearing with me!

alfinpogform's avatar

is experientiality a property of experiences as well?

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