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Mike Smith's avatar

Along the lines of what Kenny discusses, someone could also define wizards to be anyone with deep knowledge enabling unusual capabilities. By that definition, scientists and engineers would be modern day wizards, or so a wizard-realist could argue. It's also worth noting that we can identify what it is about kings that makes them kings (such as ruler by inheritance, even if only ceremonially). Can we do the same with phenomenal consciousness?

The problem is I don't think the term "phenomenal consciousness" really clarifies. Some people take it to refer to the manifest image of consciousness (channeling Wilfid Sellars), what we might call "manifest consciousness." It seems like that's what you're aiming for with the "innocent" definition. Others take it to refer to the stronger concept, something simple, irreducible, fundamentally private, impossible to describe, yet subjectively apprehensible, what we might call "fundamental consciousness," in essence a theory about manifest consciousness that it's exactly as it seems with no hidden aspects.

The thing is, manifest consciousness, in and of itself, doesn't seem to have a hard problem. The hard problem seems specific to fundamental consciousness. If we say manifest consciousness does have a hard problem, then what about it makes it so? What can be identified that isn't the problematic traits many phenomenal realists are willing to throw overboard?

In any case, I'm an eliminativist toward fundamental consciousness but not manifest consciousness. As to the term "phenomenal consciousness", I take Pete Mandik's advice and mostly avoid it (Qualia Quietism), except when responding to someone else who's using it. (Or talking about its semantic indeterminism.)

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Kenny Easwaran's avatar

I’m thinking of the potential “minimal pair” of “wizard” and “magician”. If you’re watching stage performances that you are convinced are magical, and then learn that they’re tricks or illusions rather than magic, do you stop calling the person a magician? Most of us use the term “magician” for stage performers that we don’t believe are magical, but do manage to do their tricks, so we are happy when we learn there is no magic. But I’m not totally sure this is the only way for a person to go who actually thinks there’s magic! They think they discover that Houdini and Copperfield aren’t really magicians!

Imagine another case - we see Merlin, and he tells people he uses magic to call down fire from the heavens. Then we discover that he’s actually a time traveler from Connecticut, and he’s using a lightning rod and gunpowder. Do people still think he’s a wizard even though it’s not magic in the sense us moderns think?

(Overall though, I don’t think the terminology matters too much, but I think these cases are still interesting for thinking about how people use language.)

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