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Mike Smith's avatar

An interesting argument Eric.

I'm struck with a similar impression to the one I had the first time I read the fading qualia thought experiment, that life seems easier for the functionalist, as you note in your post. For us, as soon as we're told that Entity-N is functionally isomorphic with Entity-0, the question is settled. It seems only by holding that experience is ontologically distinct from functionality that we end up with this tangled knot.

That said, a possible reply might be that you're essentially saying that a skeptic about Robot's consciousness can bite the bullet and just accept one of the horns Chalmers offers, or a hybrid between them. If Entity-0 is introspecting, but somewhere along the line Entity-J is only "introspecting", but still has a state causing it to express that experience remains, it seems instrumentally equivalent to just accepting that experience ends or fades somewhere along the line.

But I may well have missed a crucial point somewhere.

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Alex Popescu's avatar

Hey Eric,

I take the target audience of Chalmers to be those who don’t buy into organizational invariance but who generally think our introspective faculties are reliable. For example, non-physicalists who want to rely on the reliability of introspection to make their case for non-physicalism, but who also aren’t partial to functional (of the nomological, not analytic, kind) accounts of consciousness that Chalmers endorses.

If that is so, then what Chalmers needs to show is that the unreliability of intermediate robot introspection infects and imperils our own introspective capacities. So your point that we should expect intermediate robot to have unreliable introspection on organizational invariance, while true, is not enough. You also have to show that it is simultaneously reasonable to expect this and reasonable to believe in the reliability of ordinary human introspection.

You do give the example of the red/green tree in the dancing qualia case, but I think the argument here is incomplete. The reason that our ordinary vision remains generally reliable even though it fails in the case of the red/green tree is precisely because such cases (and optical illusions in general) are extremely rare in the visual environment.

But why are we entitled to think that cases of fading/dancing robots are similarly rare in the physical world? After all, they are functionally the same as conscious subjects, so you can’t appeal to any evolutionary imperative which selected for a particular function of some sort. If dancing/fading robots were in fact in the minority, this would seem to simply be a matter of coincidence (e.g. that the psycho-physical laws were arrayed so and so…). And we have no reason to think this is the case.

Since we have no good defeater for thinking such cases would be common, we have no good defeater for the argument that unreliability of dancing/fading robot introspection infects the reliability of ordinary human introspection. And so your argument is seriously weakened I think. At the very least, it would be reasonable to worry that such an infection could take place, and that our introspective faculties might be compromised, in the absence of data as to the occurrence of weird changing qualia cases.

Having said all that, you could argue that it is reasonable to assume rarity of dancing qualia cases since it only pertains to the comparative phenomenal judgements of introspection, and not our regular phenomenal judgements.

Regular phenomenal judgements like “this pain is really bad” and “this color is blue” remain true I think for both faded (not fading) and inverted robot cases. If you’re the target audience here, then you don’t buy into organizational invariance, which presumably means you buy into a private account of phenomenal semantics and epistemics.

This would mean that statements like “this pain is excruciating” can be understood as comparative in reference to one’s own private phenomenal language. So even if my pain is very slight relative to yours, it’s still true that “I am in excruciating pain” because the pain is great compared to my other types of regular pain.

If this is true, then dancing/fading qualia robots really only make introspective errors when they are making comparative introspective judgements between their current and past experiences when they were not in a faded/inverted state. As long as dancing/fading qualia transitional cases were rare, your argument still goes through, even if static inverted/faded cases are common.

But I think the same worry still applies here. Yeah granted it would be really weird to think that there’s a serious possibility that we might be in dancing/fading qualia cases most of the time, but how could we ever have evidence for the rarity of such cases if we didn’t accept organizational invariance to begin with?

You do also bring up that fading/dancing robots might not even be introspecting at all in intermediate cases. That seems implausible to me on any general account of introspection. The fading qualia cases would have all the same phenomenal and cognitive tools that ordinary introspectors would have, except for the fact that their qualia is significantly less intense. But it seems weird to suggest that intensity of qualia should entirely make a difference as to whether you are capable of introspecting or not. We can introspect a minor pain (stubbing your toe) just as well as a major pain (being tortured).

Granted, there might be a point where experience becomes so faded that it might make introspection completely impossible, but we don’t need to invoke such cases for the argument to go through, it’s enough to say for example that a fading robot just experiences a dull ache where an ordinary person would experience an excruciating sensation of a broken bone etc…

The same applies for the dancing qualia, since it seems completely implausible to say that inverting your qualia would suddenly switch off your introspective capacities.

Thanks for reading all of this!

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